Unemployment claims fell in the U.S. last week, but remain high as the economy continues its slow rebound. Unemployment benefit claims fell by 2,000 last week, reaching a seasonally adjusted 402,000. The decrease is the fourth decline seen in six weeks.
Even still, the four-week average for unemployment benefit claims in the U.S. rose to 405,500, after reaching a six-month low two weeks ago.
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It's good to see that claims fell slightly -- hope this truly means that some unemployed have found new jobs.
Agree Dean,
What I really don’t understand is; ever since last March of 2010 when benefits were capped at 99 weeks and with 15 million unemployed, shouldn’t we have seen claims consistently fall each month as people become exhautees? I don't know what to think anymore!
Its' probably because the measurements are inconsistent.
I know. If you take the number from government jobs created each month and private sector jobs created each month it never adds up.
IMO, there should be thousands nationwide becoming exhaustees every month since March 2010 if there are 15 million unemployed for three years now.
@onlineblogger -- good point. I was wondering the same.
Another thing that concerns me is that there is no discussion about the upcoming UI deadline. While I am not for unlimited unemployment benefits, I still don't feel that there are enough jobs out there for all the current amount of unemployed people.
I have also not seen any type of concrete plan for creating jobs – which should be a major priority.
Yes, they should extend the EUC08 deadline before it expires. Like you said with all the Holidays coming up congress may not do it in time and many may experience another GAP. The lack of urgency congress has showed about this whole recession makes me ill.
I hate to say this but, even if everybody gets what they want from the jobs bill, I don’t see the economy back to normal anytime soon. It may even take until the “roaring twenties”… the 2020’s that is!!!
I do not see it as much of a jobs bill at all. More of a spend and tax bill that may benefit only the unions and Govt employees. The same stimulus bill we had before that was 10 times bigger and created no real jobs or growth in the economy. Remember Obmam said we had to have that one NOW! Unemployment would not go over 8%!! How did that work out? He just setting up his class warfare to take the heat off himself for his election. No real record to run on. The Great Divider doing his best to shift blame and create a divide among the classes. Under his leadership this country is more divided than I can remember in my history. Democracy= United we stand. Socialism= Divided we win.
I agree. I don't see things getting normal "economy wise" for many years.
OMG!!!
Supercommittee Eyes Social Security Cuts
(Didn’t they just allow the first cost of living increase in years? Now they want it back and…. then some).
Social Security appears on deficit panel agenda
As a critical deadline for the supercommittee nears, Social Security appears to be on the negotiating table.
In private conversations, and now in public, the idea of changing the social program as part of a deficit-reduction deal is gaining some traction — a move that has been politically unthinkable for years.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67295.html#ixzz1cUrgcMS1
This is a long term savings. As someone on social security I do understand that they will have to address it. Any changes to social security will not affect those on it now or most likely those over 50. Most likely will move the age up...from 66 to 68 with early retirement at 64 not 62. They could do a means test...those in the very high income area will not collect the benefit. Yet, will still pay into the system. Kind of like a "tax on the rich"!! Social security would be find if they would stop borrowing from it for other Govt programs. After all it is one's own money. Medicare is something else...there is some real problems there. Obama Care has already cut millions out of that program. First thing they need to do is get rid of Obama Care.
Why don't they (the supercommittee) cut the goverment programs that have been funded by borrowing from social security? Apparently, there is no popularity in funding for these "programs" so get rid of them. Get the lobbyists out of Washington. Our country needs medicare AND medicaid because the few employers that are hiring today do not want to pay for healthcare anymore. They hire part time so that they do not have to pay for benefits; mainly health insurance. There are too many working poor that cannot afford private healthcare insurance but the states that set their local policies for Department of Human Services programs lower the income level that even the working poor have a hard time qualifying for medicaid. What is it in Illinois now for medicaid? Last time I looked, it was $1100.00 per month for one person.
If you were to put the Govt in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there would be a shortage of sand.
Well I don't think that we will be getting rid of our feds. any time soon and way back when the government did not regulate what states were doing we got ourselves into something called a Civil War. Its' just that there are too many chefs in the kitchen; not that we don't need a kitchen at all; metaphorically speaking.
Online Blogger and Dean...You both say it may be a long time to get back to "normal"! Six months ago I may of disagreed with you. Today I am afraid I agree with both of you and even will add it may get much worst. If Greece defaults, or even worst withdraws from the European Union, billions of dollars will be lost from those countries who have invested in Greece, or have purchased Greece bonds. This also includes many American banks and businesses, and even many 401k plans that will have "nothing" if Greece failles. Expect also then Spain and Portugal to want bailouts. Germany, the stronger of the EU countries, largely due to their exports to China, will be hit hard too. You could see a collapse in Europe as the dominoes of one country putting the burned upon another, and one falling after another. Germany could devalue their currency, and other EU countries just to stay alive and keep what exports they have. You could see a sudden rise in interest rates and inflation. Eventually, the finance crisis will be global effecting Asia and the US too. Civil unrest will continue. Some say this could be a good thing as it will expose the geed and corruption among financial schemes. This is a very, very serious matter if our stocks fall to 7,000 you could see a run on the banks, grater unemployment, higher interest rates and inflation. What growth we might obtain, will vanish along with billions of your money, and less power to get loans even for countries. You will see major closing of social programs. This problem is global and can not be solved I fear by the US alone.
It has definitely been interesting the last couple of days to watch the financial decline of some of the world's most powerful countries.
Some Unemployed Find Fault in Extension of Jobless Benefits
As President Obama urges Congress to act on renewing an extension to unemployment benefits, some are arguing that it’s a hindrance to the economy and discourages workers...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/business/some-unemployed-find-fault-in...
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The Benefit of Jobless Benefits
Unless Congress acts soon, the federal government will stop offering extended unemployment benefits at the end of the year, cutting off aid to more than 1 million jobless Americans...
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-unemployment-2011110...
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Friends With Benefits
Is it unethical for a relatively wealthy person to apply for and receive unemployment compensation, even if he or she meets all the requirements?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/magazine/the-ethicist-friends-with-ben...
Define 'unethical'...
Define 'relatively wealthy'...
If there would be a machine on the street with a red button on it - "push this button if you need $300, but only if you really need it"
"Rockefeller" would be the first in the line.
That is how people get rich.
They want money. (We...)
Economy is subject to social principles, which in turn are subject to moral/spiritual principles.
When we 'maximize profit' we subject ourselves to the error of greed.
In modern capitalism it is communicated to us that all is based on self interest.
Like there is the "business aspect" and the "human aspect".
When the "human aspect" is not in charge of the "business aspect" the degeneration of the economy is inevitable.
"Corporate charity" (...) does not cure this.
The employer does not give a damn about the employee.
The modern employee has become more disposable than a slave.
If I was running a business, yes I'd maximize profit. Why else would someone go into business? Businesses are not social welfare programs. One goes into business and one will invest their money in hopes of making a "profit"; would they not? That does not make one greedy. Also after 45+ years of working I can say that all of my employer's cared very much for their employee's. I am sorry if you seemed to only work for greedy and uncaring people! So the statement that employer's do not care about their employee's is not true of all employer's. I am sure there is just as many employee's that do not care about their employer's and some will even rob from them if they can. That doesn't make all employee's greedy or uncaring!! So what is your point really?
Thanks Dean for the LA Times article.
There was a good comment from the LA Times article you shared about how (working under the table while collecting unemployment benefits may be hurting any real hope for an economic recovery). This makes me rethink my position for extending EUC08 again in 2012. I’m not saying everyone is doing this but most are, which could be the major cause for this lingering recovery. On one hand, I don’t blame anyone giving up their benefits for the same or less money working PT jobs or min wage…. And on the other hand, pulling the plug on EUC08 may be the only way to force people to start contributing to the economic system again.
Check out this article from a few months ago.
http://www.todaysmachiningworld.com/working-under-the-table/
“I am seeing a lot of anecdotal evidence of people playing the system when it comes to receiving unemployment benefits. We have been seeking to hire a part time worker. The person who we were pursuing turned us down because they do not want to jeopardize their unemployment benefits, and they already have a part time gig where they’re paid in cash. I know of another person looking for a full time sales job, while getting by on unemployment and bar tending. I think one of the reasons unemployment statistics seem so peculiar these days, during this broad based recovery period, is the reluctance of many unemployed workers to give up unemployment benefits, which can last two years and sometimes longer if they are in school.
Another reason for the funky numbers is that older men have apparently dropped out of the active labor force in droves. I know of several 50-somethings who have abandoned the job world and then retired or opted to start off-the-books cash enterprises. Others have taken early social security or part-time jobs.
I sincerely wonder how many 50 somethings would be able to retire? I guess if you worked for a company that had an outstanding 401k program, and that would have to stretch for years to bridge you to social security which at the earliest, is 62 yrs. (And only people currently in their late 50's have the luxury of doing that.) Social security laws have been changed to reflect higher retirement ages for people in their mid to early fifties. If these people have no monetary back up plan to last until then, they are the people who will be the new homeless.
Today I was out and though I'd walk to the park that the so called protesters were camping out in. I had only really viewed this on the TV news so though I'd check it out for myself. I live about 7 blocks from them on the river in the city. First, there were a lot less there than the media was making out. I'd say 75% were under 25 and did not look like they would take a job if one was given to them. They looked like the same people you see on the bus mall asking you for a cigarette or extra money you may have. It looked like the homeless took it over to me. Three times I was asked if I had any change! They had tents set up and looked as if most just found a place to party and hang with friends. I am now 100% sure this is not the 99%. Most of the people I viewed there did not look like they would even know what Wall Street was. There is no way in hell I'd hang out there at night. I wonder how many had warrants out on them? Very seedy group at best.
Was there anyone going potty in public? Were there porta potties available? I am wondering if it is not to get folks to realize that everyone will look disheveled and homeless in the coming months/years with too many people (7 billion on earth) and no jobs to offer them! And tent cities popping up all over the U.S. This country needs to change - and change fast.
You may have a point. Yes they had porta potties. I just heard that late last night they were blocking a few streets and the people of the city are getting fed up with them. They had a record number of 911 calls to complain about the protesters...the noise level and blocking streets. I wonder if those calling 911 were the real 99%!!! Protesting is one thing and not respecting other peoples rights is another.
I am also having a hard time understanding what the Occupy Movement wants or truly represents. However, as the economy continues declining this group will continue growing.
Dean...I can understand that. They themselves seem not to know what they are protesting. Time to stock up on food and buy a gun. I think you are going to see some real problems with some of these people getting out of control. I am sorry but some of them look as if some mental heath issues may apply. I think there is no shortage of drugs. It seems the mayors and the police are trying to avoid problems as much as they can. Hoping they will just run their time out and leave. By law you should have permits for this and they do not. In some cities I hear they have been de-facing buildings and breaking windows. I'd like to see the reaction of this behavior by the liberal media if it were the tea party doing this!
I could support the protest if they were really protesting to the heart of the problem. That is DC. From the White House to the House and the Senate. The lack of policies from both parties to turn the economy and create jobs. What the hell does Wall Street have to do with it? It was Obama and our Govt that made the bailouts. Wall Street can not write or make laws. I am sorry but this group is not the real 99%. They are just poor people being used by a few fare left socialist to create unrest for their own goals. They want unrest and division among the people. Obama loves this for one real reason. It takes the focus off him and his lack of leadership. They need to redirect their protest to the Govt, not some make believe enemy. 75% of the poor people working on Wall Street are also part of the 99%...just people working 9to5 jobs. Most making 40to50k a year.
@Hideinseek, I agree.
This is what disappoints me the most.
Imagine you’re looking at two separate side-by-side live surveillance camera monitors. One live monitor is displaying a building with smoke pouring out of all the doors & windows as most of the smoke detectors continuously beep.
The other live monitor is simultaneously displaying the inside of the local fire station (miles away) showing all the firemen deliberately ignoring the telephone calling for help.
The “building” is the American economy and the “firemen” are every elected official in Washington DC.
Good point!
To play off of your point here! It would then be like me protesting the owner of the building when it burns to the ground and not the lack of leadership by the fire dept. for not responding to the fire!!!
When we elect clowns to office why are we surprised when we get a circus?..LOL
I have seen several articles regarding fewer people applying for unemployment benefits, stating it must be a positive sign that people are finding jobs. I truly feel articles like these are misleading. What I believe caused this decrease is the number of people who have exhaused all their UI benefits.
Banks Extract Fees On Unemployment Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/bank-fees-unemployment-benefits...
(how crazy is this...)
Man pleads guilty to using undocumented immigrants to get $4.4 million in unemployment benefits
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/oct/31/man-uses-immigrants-get-44-m...
Dean - I just read that article and that man NEEDS prison pronto! OMG - with the overflowing of illegals - this country needs to step up to the plate before throwing our benefits to anyone who SEEMS that they are deserving. Let the unemployment offices in Vegas do some cleaning up shop of their personnel too! This is an outrage! And to think of all the deserving workers who are losing their homes to unemployment stopping, that this asshole got 5 homes out of this fraud!!!! Our country is the laughing stock of other nations and I am sick and tired of it.....I am sickened to the very bone.
Dean,
“NEVADA” is just another Blue State that wouldn’t dare investigate anyone on the government dole UNTIL absolutely necessary. IMO, this Francisco Garcia had an accomplice, “the Washington liberal democrats” for inserting this one ridiculous notation in every single application to receive any type of government assistance; “you do not have to prove citizenship and will not be investigated if you answer “no” to not being an American citizen.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The same thing has been happening to all social programs over the years, food stamps, housing, and cash assistance, medicare, etc. These frauds total in the high BILLION$.
BTW, I do not understand how an undocumented worker can apply for unemployment benefits never having been employed in the first place.
Dean...this is nuts! How could one pull that off is a joke to the whole system. I still think UI should have a means test. How many are getting ext benefits that are in households with a income over 50k? The tiers should only go to those in real need. Then they would have more money to help more in need. As I had said a long time ago on here I knew a lady that got UI benefits for two years...never really wanting to go back to work. The check to her was just extra spending money. Her husbands income is over 100,000. a year! The truth.
Hideinseek,
I also know more than one of these type persons. If everyone knows at least one person fraudulently/unscrupulously abusing the system and, I believe EVERYONE knows of at least “one”, wouldn’t this mean that “HALF” the people are receiving benefits they’re not truly entitled to?
I understand how unemployment insurance works. Regardless of one’s income they should be entitled to receive regular benefits “only” because they and their employer both paid into the system. Once EUC kicks-in, all the rules should change for those with handsome bank accounts & assets still requesting help.
I can't believe that someone was able to pull this off.
Vote Green in 2012, recycle congress.
Come 2012 I’m personally voting against every single incumbent in politics, even the few I like!
“Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing often and for the same reason”- Mark Twain.
Kick Them All Out Project
and the FIRE CONGRESS in 2012 CAMPAIGN
http://www.kickthemallout.com/
“you do not have to prove citizenship and will not be investigated if you answer “no” to not being an American citizen".
Yep, this statement sure was on the online application I submitted when TRYING to get food stamps and I was flabberghasted that they even include this on their application; therefore promoting illegals to sign up for benefits!
Then I got denied because my unemployment income was TOO high! What a friggin joke we AMERICANS are to the foreigners and other countries who benefit from our welfare, free schooling/lunches, no taxes, food stamps, medicaid, etc. I am fed up and maybe a movement should start with taking back from the illegals what is rightfully ours as hardworking American citizens. Enough is Enough already! Problem is ---- no one has the balls and/or fire in their ass to start such a movement!
Pdwa,
I truly agree with everything you just said. The problem, (as I see it)is; many of us Americans have the “courage” but may not have the time, health or energy to start a more powerful movement which most of us crave for, and congress fears.
Remember, those hit the hardest are the baby boomers struggling to compete for all the obvious reasons.
This is why the emotional part of my brain supports the OWS protesters for at least “doing something”! However, the logical part of my brain strongly disagrees with their strategy and ridiculously unrealistic demands.
AFTER ALL, CONGRESS HAS AUTHORIZED EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING!
Going after “Wall Street” is a cute bumper sticker but the wrong target.
Online Blogger...Do you find it odd that at this point in time no one is asking for DC to extend the UI benefits? Looks as if the tiers may stop. I would of though that at this point we would see people asking everyone to fax DC!!! Could it be that now that those that were so into faxing and calling DC now understand that more benefits pass two years is a dead issue they gave up? If so, then would it be fair to say that most of them were really only out to get more checks pass the two years? You know the one's I am talking about! It would then say that they really are not as "caring for those in need" as they tried to paint it! They now know there is nothing in it for them so to hell with it. I guess I may of been right a year ago when I said this would be the last extension!
Hideinseek, I agree.
I also believe more & more people are becoming fed-up with all the unsuccessful “short-term fixes” as we both have been against for the longest time. It may even be easier now for congress NOT to extend EUC08 come 2012 gauging by how easy it was for them to ignore the 99ers all this time, IDK?
Although, I’m literally torn between supporting the EUC extension because I know many will still need help but, many will also NOT vigorously look for work (especially those with high powered resumes holding out for their dream jobs) only further delaying their contribution in helping the economy gain momentum quicker by taking those McJobs.
"Unless Congress acts soon, the federal government will stop offering extended unemployment benefits at the end of the year, cutting off aid to more than 1 million jobless Americans." Well, this is when the unemployment rate will skyrocket.
@newkidontheblock -- this is what I am concerned about. I have not heard any talks regarding extending the UI deadline.
I remember back in 2010 when they extended the extension until December 2011, many had said then that it should have been extended to December 2012.
Dean,
Another possible reason you may not be hearing any talk of extending the UIC deadline before January 3, 2012, may be because “this time” they might have to work for their benefits.
House Democrats Propose Unemployment Extension
November 3, 2011, 1:05 PM ET
“The Democratic lawmakers said they were willing to be flexible with the bill in order to get it passed in the Republican-controlled House. Republicans have said they might be willing to support extending the benefits, possibly if they were linked to worker retraining programs, which President Barack Obama has also proposed.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/03/house-democrats-propose-unempl...
@Dean I think that when Congress extended the unemployment benefits last year to Dec. 2011; (even though the IDES website notes that extended benefits will not be paid pass Jan. 7th), it was wishful thinking that the economy would be alot better than it is now. I'm not sure why people aren't talking about this more; maybe some have found jobs to get by while others don't have access anymore to phones and/or internet. Its' hard to believe that millions will be terminated from unemployment benefits in Jan. that need them to survive (80,000 jobs last month? Thats' nothing compared to the amount of jobs that need to be created to put a dent in the unemployment problem and I can't believe that 80,000 jobs would push the unemployment rate down by a tenth of a point for the entire country) and will have nothing to say about it.
@online blogger -- great article. Thanks for sharing.
It would seem unfair to not give them the same 99 weeks that others have received. Not like the economy is doing any better. I am just not sure why you do not see anyone asking for them this time??? Afraid DC will think they can just let it drop this time!! They should get the UI offices more involved in helping people find and take a job. More "hands on" in their help. I would bet that if you had to go out on jobs that the UI office sent you out on and report why you did not get that job, you would see a big increase in those taking jobs. There needs to be more accountability in the program. The real problem will be the over 50 age group. I guess we have to also ask...how long can they keep paying out the money? We are going to start to see states going brook soon...they are not going to be able to pay the Federal Govt back. You are already seeing counties and cities cut, cut and cut again. One town had to cut all of its street lights off at night.
After re-thinking this point I can see that it may not be reality. To get the UI office to take a more hands on approach you would need more employees to help the unemployed. With state budgets that is unlikely! Damn it is like this country is in a big hole and can not climb out!
Most of the unemployed no longer receive benefits
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111105/BIZ/111050382/Most-of-the-unemployed...
I think part of the reason why some are against extending unemployment benefits is because they feel two and half years is enough. However, on the other hand most agree with the continued extensions because there are simply not enough jobs out there right now.
As Jobless Claims Rise, Businesses Try to Manage the Burden of Benefits
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/business/smallbusiness/managing-unempl...
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The State of Unemployment
Americans are out of work. Who is listening?
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/06/26/opinion/sunday/20110626_CART...
Dean, interesting article thanks.
What I see happening based on this article is now the employer has to determine the value of the new hire within thirty days. I guess with all the cut-backs going on, the probation period is among them. Many years ago, it used to be 6 months then, 90 days and now less than 30 days.
I had to laugh when reading the correction about offering a bad hire severance before the 30 day period. Companies will just do what they always have done in the past, force a bad hire to quit by assigning them task not in their job description like cleaning toilets.
Unemployed Workers Stage Sit-In at McConnell’s Senate Office
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller and Serena Marshall report:
Wearing homemade T-shirts with the words ”I need a job” written on the front and back, about 20 unemployed D.C. residents today staged a sit-in at the office of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s, R-Ky.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/unemployed-workers-stage-si...
@online blogger -- agree with you on all points.
Blitherin and blaterhing all day long! Why don't you guys start someting besides just blogging? WTF? You guys are using this thread just to blog all day ....DO SOMETHING AND TALK ABOUT IT! DON'T JUST BLOG ON AND ON AND ON AND ON....WE CAN DO THAT ALL DAY TIL THE COWS COME HOME...WHAT IS ANYONE GOING TO DO ABOUT ANYTHING?? SAME AS PEOPLE PISSING AND POOING IN THE STREETS...DO YOU JUST COMPLAIN ABOUT IT OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? DON'T LOOK AT THE PROBLEM...LOOK FOR A SOLUTION
I don't understand the leaders of this country. Congress is balking at 45 billion to continue extended benefits into next year for 2.2 million people yet they gave more than ten times that amount to bail out the banks. These same banks by the way who gave bad home loans to people they knew could not afford them that started this recession in the first place. We elect people to find solutions to our countrys' problems and pay them well for it. When they fail to do the job that they are sent to Washington for, they should be voted out of office. This is the solution that was given to the citizens of our country by the authors of our Constitution.
Not saying they should not extend the benefits for those that did not get 99 weeks. However, on your point about the banks it sounds just as misinformed as the protesters. One...The banks paid the money back with interest to the Govt. Two...A lot of the banks did not want the money. Yet, they had to take it. Wells Fargo was one such bank. Three...It was the Govt not the banks that pushed for those home loans to those that could not afford them. Remember Fredie and Mac...and it was the Democrats that pushed for those loans. We the people backed those loans and are now on the hook for them. We also forget that banks were not the only one's Obama bailed out...just the only one's that paid us back!
Congressman Barney Frank in 2007 pushed hard for a program with Fredie and Mac to give home loans to low-income people. In 2009 he voted against a bill that would of significantly reined in Fannie and Fredie. He was one of only 90 members to do so. That was your bad home loans! Frank should be in jail!!
Something has to be done to help all these people out of work.
Newkid,
“I'm not sure why people aren't talking about this more; maybe some have found jobs to get by while others don't have access anymore to phones and/or internet”
IMO, there is “life” beyond phones and/ or Internet! Libraries, toll-free 800 numbers and the good old fashioned $0.44 postage stamp are all still viable options. (Whenever I asked anyone for a stamp they almost always never demanded the 44 cents).
My fear is more & more people are becoming complacent living on food stamps and cash assistance. The longer people are out of work the easier it becomes to lose spirit and will.
Online Blogger...Keep in mind that when we were seeing the last fight for more extensions the people fighting very hard were fighting for extensions pass the 99 weeks. Remember a few even said "if they do not pass an extension for the 99ers then no extensions should pass"? Those same people are now gone..why? I think it is because they now know there will be no new tier. What we were saying all along! So why should they fight for extensions that will not benefit them? One now can see we were right all along..they were out for only themselves.
@Online blogger You'll need a phone to dial an 800# and where I live, pay phones are basically nonexistent. For those that have lost their homes in this recession and are living in shelters, R.V.s, cars and friends/relatives and do still have spirit and will; they are most likely using all of their waking hours trying to find work or a way to support their families. Most people do not want to be homeless. For the people who are facing being an exhaustee, they are most likely vigourously concentrating on finding work, not writing letters to Congress. Also, I've heard of many shelters requiring the people staying there to take part in life improving endeavors each day so that they can eventually get back into an independent living situation. There are most likely just as many people who are working that are on food stamps as are people on food stamps and collecting unemployment given the state of our economy and the lack of 40 hr. work weeks and abundance of low wage jobs. I don't believe that everyone collecting unemployment benefits is looking forward to a future of food stamps and cash assistance. I do believe that they want jobs, there are just not enough to go around. Our government should help the unemployed and soon to be exhaustees on their own. Our government knows that there are still 4.2 applicants for every job opening out there. I'm sure that they (Congress) can do the math.
Newkid,
Truth be told, we are both right. I realize there are many people desperately searching for work every day. Nonetheless, I sense a certain reluctance on your part to also realize there are over 3 million unemployed who completely stopped searching for work entirely!
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2011/06/20/why-the-job...
You have to love the way that liberals and Democrats like to paint themselves as the party for the middle class...the 99%! When you do a reality check you find that to be so untrue. The Republican Party is really the party of the middle class. On contrast the Democrat Party is the party of the very, very rich...wall street moguls..Soros, Gates and Buffet, who calls for the rich to pay more taxes while he himself owes the IRS in back taxes millions!LOL Then you have Michael Moore who hates capitalism while making millions off capitalism and the poor by playing off their anger. Obama calls out the banks and wall street while having 35k a plate dinners with them to raise money for his election!!LOL And he is the one that bailed them out! And the very poor...yes the democrats use them for only one reason..VOTES. They will trade their freedom for handouts and give politicians an excuse to "spread the wealth" from the working class to the indolent. Have to love how the democrats and the unions will complain about the big profit made by Exxon-Mobil while saying nothing of Apple who made a bigger profit than Exxon and ships most of their jobs to Asia!LOL Have to love how Obama is saying the rich need to pay their fair share while his new man in the White House works for GE who paid no taxes and is shipping jobs to China! Have to love the job bill of Obama's. Oh! I forgot his bill will only help you if you are a union member or you have a shovel for those make believe shovel ready jobs! Obama gives money to the unions, our money, they in turn return money to him for his election..our money! A good Chicago politician!
I did not realize that there were so many states that do not have 99 Week UI benefits:
Weeks of Unemployment Benefits Available by State
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
November 5, 2011
The federal government is paying for up to 73 weeks of extended benefits, on top of the 26 weeks provided by most states. That emergency program may end in 2012 unless Congress chooses to continue it.
For now, up to 99 weeks are available in states with the highest unemployment rates. In states with lower rates, fewer weeks are available.
Here is the maximum number of weeks available in each state:
Alabama 99
California 99
Colorado 99
Connecticut 99
District of Columbia 99
Florida 99
Georgia 99
Idaho 99
Illinois 99
Indiana 99
Kentucky 99
Michigan 99
Nevada 99
New Jersey 99
North Carolina 99
Ohio 99
Oregon 99
Rhode Island 99
Tennessee 99
Washington 99
Delaware 93
Missouri 93
New York 93
Pennsylvania 93
South Carolina 93
Texas 93
West Virginia 93
Kansas 86
Maine 86
Maryland 86
Massachusetts 86
Minnesota 86
New Mexico 86
Wisconsin 86
Arizona 79
Mississippi 79
Puerto Rico 79
Virgin Islands 79
Montana 75
Alaska 73
Arkansas 73
Hawaii 73
Iowa 73
Louisiana 73
Utah 73
Virginia 73
Nebraska 60
New Hampshire 60
North Dakota 60
Oklahoma 60
South Dakota 60
Vermont 60
Wyoming 60
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/11/05/business/AP-US-Jobless-Withou...
Did not know that myself. Yet, even the lowest has over one year of benefits. And if the UI rate is low in that state then should it not be more likely you could get work? Just saying. I do feel they should pass a extension for those now on tiers. I do not feel we need to go beyond the 2 years. You have to set a deadline. They could save millions if they would have a means test for those going beyond the normal 26 weeks. If I was a wife of a husband earning say 50K or better...then I do not go beyond the 26 weeks. If I had other income that moved be beyond a low income level then nothing beyond the 26 weeks. Seems only fair to me. We do the same for other social programs.
I really feel for veterans -- they deserve better than this.
Unemployment For Veterans Up Even As Overall Joblessness Declines
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-for-veterans-up-even-as-over...
I agree 100%. There should be some BIG reward for hiring a Vet. I also feel for those over 50.
"...those over 50 or older."
Would that be classified as Redundant? lol
I have been checking other UI boards where it seems a lot of people have just given up fighting for more benefits. The difference I see now as opposed to back when I was first unemployed back in 2008, is that during this time the unemployed had to fight for each tier that eventually resulted in 99 weeks of unemployment. The group that came after this didn't have to fight for more weeks or tiers, most pretty much had the 99 week benefit option when they initially became unemployed.
I can remember back when this and other boards were full of posters who were providing numbers to call senators and congressmen on a daily basis. This even included contacting senators and congressmen who lived in another state. The majority of us all took the time each week to make these calls. When you ask some of the people today who are unemployed about calling senators or congressmen before the deadline expires next month, some will look at you like you are crazy.
Good point. I think a lot of people felt that after the ext for one year it would be the last one. I had said that at the time. A few people would just keep up with false hope and could not accept the reality that there was going to be no new tiers. Called me neagative!lol...I never felt or counted on more tiers...I knew that there would be nothing after 99 weeks max. I made my plans based on that and did what I had to do to survive. Everyone has their own plans. I think most did just that and moved on. Sorry but I stand by what I posted to Online Blogger about a few that were only for more tiers and now gone as the reality set in after all this time that it is a dead issue.
@Hideinseek, you made so many great points! Yes, I do remember many fighting for the 99ers who themselves would not qualify for a tier 5, (the so-called advocates) already employed. These advocates generally did not support the EUC extension because it did not include the 99ers. This IMO was most of the chatter in unemployed forums which we all see slowly disappearing today.
I also agree with you about states with low UI rates.
To be honest I personally do not see the need EVEN for two years of benefits in a few States. For example; North Dakota has a 3% unemployment rate. I think 60 weeks of benefits (for this State) is more than generous.
Online Blogger...Going to say something here that the fare left liberal socialist will fall over on!!lol You know who got hurt the most in this recession is the middle to upper middle class. Yes, not the poor. The upper middle class making 100k to 300k a year took a hard hit. They lost money on their homes, their investments and their 401ks. I lost money from my 401ks and I am sure others have as well. I was lucky in that I sold my home just before the dump in the housing market. Yet, the poor guy that bought it will lose! Yes, the very, very rich will always be rich and some of them like Michael Moore will make money from this. Yet, the working middle upper class took it in the butt. The poor had nothing to lose...they do not even pay Federal taxes. The small business man he took the lost. And they are the people that pay the taxes in this country. Now the unions and Obama big spenders want them to pay more! The poor want more hand outs not hands up! Sorry but those protesters on Wall Street do not make up the 99%. They are just no better than the greedy people at the top..asking for more free handouts from the middle class to pay for. How is asking for not repaying your loans not also greedy? How is asking and demanding more benefits after two years not also greedy? It all falls on the backs of those in the middle and upper middle class.
Woman dies at Occupy Vancouver site
Nov. 5, 2011, 11:04 p.m. EDT
AP
VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) — A woman at the Occupy Vancouver camp died Saturday after being discovered in an "unresponsive" condition, police say. A Canadian protest organizer said it appeared to be due to a drug overdose.
The cause of death has not been determined but there is no evidence to indicate foul play, police said.
The woman in her 20s was found in a tent by another protester. Paramedics took her to a hospital where she was pronounced dead, Vancouver police said in a statement.
Lauren Gill, an organizer at the camp, said the woman apparently died of a drug overdose.
She said the death highlights the need for more addiction services because drugs are such a big issue in the city.
Gill, who is running as an independent in this month's city elections, said that as an outreach worker in mental health and addiction services, she has seen far too many overdose deaths.
On Saturday, tensions seem to be growing at the site, where one television camera operator was knocked to the ground and some protesters began hassling reporters.
Fire Chief John McKearney ordered protesters to remove large tarps and take down tents after emergency personnel had difficulty getting accessing the site Thursday to help someone who suffered a non-fatal drug overdose.
The protesters initially rejected McKearney's concerns about safety, but removed some tarps.
Mayor Gregor Robertson has said he wants the Occupy protesters to leave the site, but hasn't threatened to force them out or set any deadlines.
This is were this is going. Only a matter of time before we see more of this in our own cities. Here in Portland Oregon the police arrested two guys for selling drugs at the protest hang out in the park. One of the police officers was pushed into the street and hit by a bus...he was taken to the hospital and is doing OK. These protesters are some just looking for trouble. And people like Michael Moore are just aiding them on...playing on their fear and weakness for their own self gain. Why is Obama not talking about it or trying to tell people that this behavior is wrong? He had no problem speaking out about the tea party! He supports this class warfare...it just may come back to bite him in his butt!
I am so sorry to hear about this.
Although I definitely agree people in this country should be in an uproar about the current economic conditions, I still can't seem to grasp what the "Occupy" movement is really about.
@Dean, I truly agree with you that people should be in an uproar over the current economic condition, I just wish they were more of the “right” people. However, anyone struggling to grasp what the real reason for the Occupy Wall Street protest is OK IN MY BOOKS. You see, most of Middle America (including myself) also fails to understand or agree with their unrealistic and utopian demands which is only code for: “redistributing the wealth”. I wanted to vomit when Obama first described this movement as “broad based”??? IMO it is not broad based. It is only attracting all the radical liberals.
There is a group here in Portland that are the real 99%. They are protesting the mayors office now to do something about the protesters. Demanding that the mayor enforce the laws of the city about permits. The parks belong to all tax payers that pay to keep them up..not just a few low life's to camp out in and party. We now have rats running around in the park from the trash. People living in the area are calling 911 at night with completes about the load noise at 12am from the park and some fights that have brook out there. Then the protesters blame the police for doing their job. What the hell is this shit that groups of people can just take over a park and do as they like with no respect for others or the law? I will be joining the citizens of the city in protesting to our mayors office. We have a very poor mayor that is not going to run again knowing he has no way to win. Mayor Adams is a joke.
Hideinseek,
I just read that Portland’s Lownsdale & Chapman parks will not be available to anyone applying for permits until November 2012. Funny how they used this date, LOL. Also, since the Portland OWS protesters do not have a permit, taxpayers will be responsible for any damages, restoration, or liability.
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November 7, 2011
The Senate is considering legislation this week that would provide businesses with a $2,400 “Returning Heroes” tax credit for hiring an unemployed veteran who has been unemployed for at least a month. Companies that hire veterans with service-related disabilities would receive a $4,800 credit.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/7/obama-touts-jobs-unemploy...
I like the name of that tax program (Returning Heroes) -- and I truly hope it helps this country's high veteran unemployment rate.
For anyone interested UPS is looking to hire 55,000 seasonal workers.
http://jobs-ups.com/
I now stand corrected!! Cain will not be the VP with Romney! He is toast!!
LOL… funny how Cain’s accuser developed a conscience after fourteen years. Her fiancé said it wasn’t for political reasons because she’s of the same political affiliation as Cain. BUT GLORIA ALLRED ISN'T! AH-ha!
Online Blogger...Ya, I agree. Not sure I really care. Never though he would ever really get it anyway. Romney will win it in the end I think. The best one to win Obmam. I did think that maybe a VP! Now no way...Romney will not want the baggage.
Yet, Hell we had Weiner Boy...We had the old fat fart that got caught in men's bathrooms and we had the one going after the page boys. Then there was the captain of them all Old Bill and his cigar! Maybe Cain had the making of a real President!!!LMAO
"Distribution" or "re-distribution" is the same thing.
Now if anybody thinks that "they make their own money" live in an illusion.
We perform actions to channel purchasing power to ourselves.
Some do this by going to work, some by filling out a form "please give me money"...
Some rob banks, some run banks and thus rob the public.
Some generate income on any transaction I make, whether I buy or sell.
Now.
Should government have sovereign power over the wealth generated in the country?
Who should have the sovereign power?
Obviously no one can be trusted.
In the meantime we are all called to live.
What is the 'principle' by which all would be given the chance to sustain themselves?
The 'rich' sit on the wealth like leprechauns on their gold.
Should anyone have the 'power' to take it from them?
And to all a good night.
Some by working, investing and saving. Others by demanding handouts and entitlements that they never paid into...living off those that do work and pay taxes! No one has the right to take what is not earned or their's..period. A rich mans gold is his gold..not my gold or yours! If I wish to set on my wealth that is my right..not your right to tell me how to spend it or that I should share it. Reading between your lines you are a socialist at heart. Earn your own shit.
Civilization runs on 'white noise' - THOUGHT - that is.
Particular civilizations are identical with their 'systems of thought'.
The natural resources like rivers, lands, forests does not create the civilization.
All the armies, palaces, infrastructure - whatnot - are manifestations of this 'system of thought'.
Now.
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think."
How does thought come to the unthinking masses?
Furthermore, how does thought come to the thinker?
Through religion.
Philosophy - which is a form of processing - works with a raw system of 'basic truths' that entered the consciousness through religion.
This 'sense of the numinous' that brings 'sanity' into human consciousness.
The natural state of the human mind is - insanity.
Thus the natural state of human society is - anarchy.
Civilizations fall because they become more and more secular, giving way to the natural insanity of the human person.
"Fallen, fallen, fallen
Is Babylon The Great
Space is getting bounded
Time is getting late"
A secular, money-based system can not and will not stand.
To survive or to flourish again the US might have to look to the South for inspiration.
The 'Southern Man' that Neil Young seemed to condemn for 'hell' seems to show signs of lasting endurance in the human sense.
"Friendliness", "politeness" and not the least "ingenuity" are qualities that seem to be still understood well in the Old South.
"Common sense" is another expression that comes to mind.
These are 'principles' that make civilization function in the practical sense.
I guess I do agree with Bill Clinton that there is something in the US that shows promise.
Liberals never accuse you of greed for wanting other peoples money...only for wanting to keep your own!!!
Fannie Mae now asking tax payers for 7.8 billion in another bailout!! I say send the bill to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and let them pay it. They were the one's that caused the sub-prime mortgage fiasco in the first place that the taxpayers paid out billions. Tell them to go pound sand.
OMG, the other alternative floating around to bailing out Fannie Mae is the Government completely taking it over, now that’s even scarier.
Unrelated;
I read the Super Committee reached an impasse today.
Maybe now we need another super – SUPER committee, (sarcasm)!
LOL
Obama would support that. He loves BIG GOVT. They can take over all the banks, the car company's and most all big business! Then we can move from being the USA..land of the free..to...USSR Govt controlled...land of socialism.
I think we need a Mega-committee. And if they reach an impasse, then form a Giga-committee. I doubt if we need a Terra-committee just yet though.
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Late night pillow talk in Nancy Pelosi’s household……………….good night dear. Oh by the way, don’t forget to drag your feet on credit card legislation until I make a killing on Visa stock.
Hidinseek,
Your girl friend (lol) Nancy Pelosi might be on 60 minutes this Sunday explaining how she didn’t hold up credit card legislation after her husband made millions in Visa stock. Tell me this is not another good reason for term limits.
Like I said when you put the CLOWNS in charge; do not be surprised when you get a CIRCUS!!!
Here is more mis-placed protesting college students. Protesting the firing of Joe Paterno who turned a blind eye to a child molester. They should be protesting him and the child molester and all that knew and did nothing. No they lost their morals, if they ever had any. What the hell are they learning in school with their student loans? Am I missing something? If I walked into a shower and some sick old fart was raping a 10 year old boy I'd pick up a bat and the old fart would be on the ground..then I'd call the cops not my "F" boss. Yet, the students protest the firing of someone they see as a hero and to hell with his lack of moral behavior. Sorry if I do not take college kids protesting as much more than that of mis-placed fools.
Here’s something that might start gaining momentum.
Labor Director Opposes Extending Unemployment Benefits
http://stateimpact.npr.org/idaho/2011/11/08/labor-director-opposes-exten...
At this point I think we may not see more ext of UI. This may be the end of them. Not 99 weeks that is for sure. I think even Obama is hoping if they do not ext the benefits and stop counting those that fall off maybe the numbers will come down and "look" better!!?
Looks like our citizens group in Portland Oregon made an impact on our Mayor. After we the real 99% demanded that the mayor enforce the laws he got the message. He has told the protesters (double makers) that they have until midnight Sat to get out of the park or be removed. Said it is now a safety issue! We flooded him with emails and phone calls from tax payers...the real 99%! There may be problems...I will support our police 100%.
Hideinseek,
Congrats for getting your mayor to start respecting Portland’s residents & business owners. Perhaps now your City can save money on policing and start generating revenue from permits to host other events benefiting the community.
Hush Whitenoise..you are waking up the weirdos....I just lost my job thru no fault of my own....please tell me what am I to do? I went to unemployment and IDHS for food stamps....I am to wait 4-5 weeks for anything when I saw hispanic illegals and middle eastern Indians getting our benefits? WTF is wrong with this picture?....
Sorry to hear you lost your job again.
I don’t know if you noticed one of the weirdo’s (lol) posted earlier this week that UPS was hiring 55,000 for this holiday season. I know this is always hard to do but, look on the bright side, you saw this lay-off coming for a long time now so hopefully you were more emotionally prepared this time.
OMG...Obmam talks always that the GOP is blocking his jobs plans. Now HE is blocking real jobs..20,000 now ready good paying jobs with over 50k of non-direct jobs as well. Obama delays the oil pipeline plan with Canada until after his election. So who is playing politics with American jobs? Canada may not wait that long. They are looking now at China who would jump on the plan. Obama is a job killer not a job Creator. Not only taking jobs away from America, yet; also taking oil away that we would get from a friendly country and not the middle east. This clueless fool needs to go in 2012. Recovery will only start after he is gone.
Hideinseek,
To you and all the Veterans that served our great nation I THANK YOU.
Happy Veterans Day.
Thank You...
I too thank you for your service, Ooh-rah!
^ lol
I second that. Thank you for your service.
We are looking at some real trouble here with the so called protesters. They have been told to get out of the park by Sunday am. A small group has called for help from anarchists groups from Seattle, Oakland and San Francisco to come up and help them riot! Could be as many as 300 looking for trouble. There goal they say is to over throw the Govt!!! The police are asking for help from other police Dept's in the area. The people of the city are very mad at the mayor who they feel let this go on too long. Some calling for him to step down NOW. I also hold Obama and other liberal nut cases like Michael Moore for some of the blame for pushing it on. So now you liberal fools like msan222, Christine and some others, you got what you were hoping for..out of control nut cases hurting citizens that have done nothing..the real 99%. We will make the News! I hope Americans will understand that much of this came from Obama's start of the class warfare. No one in good mind could really support him for 4 more years.
Casualties of civil disobedience can be an occupational hazard. Wall Street will not be taken down regardless of how many protesters camp in our public parks. Their only hope for some conclusion is a showdown before the cold winter arrives. Best wishes to all.
Uh oh, I think I hear black helicopters coming...............
If you do hear black helos coming it will most likely be the AH-6 little Bird. There is no doubt if they exist only how and when they’ll be used.
Hopefully my posting at 11:11PM will have some significance. I couldn’t resist, lol
Don’t worry; I can’t do this again for another eleven years from now.
Chief Runs With Premise has a plan to get rid of protesters. He will give them blankets covered in SARS. LOL.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154073/blankets-covered-in-sars
Tonight on 60 minutes Steve Kroft reports on how U.S. lawmakers legally buy stock based on nonpublic information.
Maybe this is the Nancy Pelosi story of how she “allegedly” held-up on credit card legislation while her husband makes millions on Visa stock.
Fannie, Freddie executives score 100m payday, post bailout. Freddie Mac received 33.3 million in 2009 and 2010, while top 5 at Freddie Mac received 28.1 million. And the company has set a target of as much as 17 million for its top managers in 2011. That is total of 94.4 million of taxpayers money. These are the companies that just last week ask for another few million in stimulus money for another bail out!!! Thank you Barnie Frank!! Why is Obama not on TV showing his outrage for those bonuses like he did with the banks..(that paid us back)??? Can you say hypocrisy? The protesters should not be on Wall Street, they should be protesting DC. This is the Govt supported company that got us where we are. Govt should get out of running basenesses. One only has to look at the post office!!!
Has anyone heard any updates on the UI extension?
No one seems to be asking for them!!!?
@ Dean, I hope this helps.
http://smartunemployment.com/tag/hr-3346/
Unemployment Extension Update – November 14, 2011
As you know, there are two separate unemployment extensions being discussed in Congress at the moment:
IMO, HR3346 has a fair chance of passing for two main reasons. There seems to be enough support AND it’s being paid for by offsets.
HR589/tier 5, (sitting dormant now for close to two years) has very little to “NO” support from either party, the President and the public. The biggest disgrace of all is; Rep. Barbara Lee & the black caucus never offered a way or offset to help pay for more than 99 weeks of benefits. It is also very disingenuous of her to continue advertising the outdated estimate of $16 billion price tag now that 5 million more exhaustees exist since that original estimate.
@onlineblogger, thanks for the article link. I also agree with you about HR3346 having a better chance of passing.
@hidenseek, I am also surprised about the lack of focus from the unemployed regarding the upcoming extension. I contacted several congressional offices and the majority of staffers replied that they had not received many calls regarding the extension.
I have also visited other UI boards and it seems the current population of unemployed don't feel there is a need to contact their state political officials about extending the deadline. While most of them have no job prospects and are fearful about their situation, the basic response has been "let's all cross our fingers and hope it gets extended"...
I think Online Blogger is right they will pass an extension of UI under HR3346...both parties will support that one. I think almost everyone knows now that weeks beyond the 99 weeks is a dead issue. I still believe that we may see less action on the sites for that reason. The ones that were really pushing hard before were the ones that were asking for more benefits beyond 99 weeks. 99% of those people have given it up knowing that the reality is there well be no new tiers. Without the hope for more benefits for them they moved on. The real question is how long well or can the Govt keep paying out these extensions? Do we really think UI will drop below 8 or 9% any time soon? It may be a long time; if ever, that we see 5%% UI in this country.
I heard on the radio that the Occupy New York group may try to protest during the Macy's Thanksgiving parade and burn some of the floats...
Really!! And they call themselves the 99%...how un-American is that? I wish the real 99%, hard working and tax paying Americans, would protest against them. I am starting to love the tea party!!!
Here’s something both absurd & sad at the same time
As cities raise taxes, user fees, fines & penalties to meet their
budgets, very little of any unemployment extension dollars will actually be used to stimulate the real private sector economy to any noticeable degree.
The super-committee did NOT fail! They did exactly what they were commissioned to do, “NOTHING”.
“The Democrats and President Obama are in no rush: "it helps his campaign not to have a deal." "I don't think he cares at all what this will do to people's retirement account on Nov. 23rd... The president does not care about your retirement account."
.
"He cares only about his election - and any deal will not be good for his election." I have g00gled and can't find where the idea for this committee came from. Anyone know? Could this committee just be another trick on the American people? - Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)
So, any word on the tier 5? I'm hopin' I'm still eligible.
:P~
There has never been any hope for a tier 5...take that job. If you are still unemployed after all this time you must be making it. Right now they are not even sure they will ext this next ext at all. The GOP is saying it has to be paid for. And without raising taxes. I am not sure we will see a increase. Yet; you do not see anyone asking for a ext!! Most UI sites are dead and gone. As it looks like this one is also.
I am not that sure we should ext the employee tax cut. We have had it cut for a year and not sure it did that much. Has not sure most people understand that it is robbing the social security fund from those that will use the program in the future. They keep robbing from our social security fund. I say end it. Obama talks like it will be a tax increase...it is not. It just means we start investing in our social security again as we should.
Nothing is working under this President’s leadership, not even tax cuts!
Capitalism is on its death bed. Few are waiting for a priest and most are waiting for the doctor. Unfortunately, the doctor won’t be here until next November.
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